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Is Agile software development a failed approach or is it an important advance? Discussions of agile methodology and agile philosophy often get bogged down in discussions of practices: “Is Scrum better than Kanban”, is “SAFe or Less the way to scale-up”, “Is agile certification a good route to success or a money-making scheme for the trainers?”.

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  1. How many organizations switched to agile because they genuinely thought about limitations of older methods of delivery and then appreciated what Agile brings in ? Most of agile adoption is driven due to "modernization" budgets and it may mean a bunch of roles, bunch of ceremonies, bunch of certifications .. but almost never mean… "learn and adapt and make space for some incorrect hypothesis".

  2. Some of the best projects I have worked on were ones where there was just me as the developer and a subject matter expert, that's it. Other projects I have worked on have had me as the developer, a DBA, a project manager, a stakeholder, etc. Endless meetings after meetings, people trying to look busy creating documentation, specs, etc. and then having meetings to discuss them and each revision based on the last meeting. 50% or more of your time is blown in meetings. My other favorite thing is when your boss wants something done faster, so he offers a non developer for you to use and expects that will allow you to complete the project in half the time.

  3. Spot on Dave, food for thought. The worst thing i hear daily is that people state state they are doing Agile without really understanding it. They run a meeting at the start of a 2 week sprint, have daily standups and deliver a demo at the end of it. This is not Agile. the sooner non devs accept this, we the sooner we can demonstrate more agility.
    Many a meeting I have attended in which a feature has been deferred until later because of an unknown. Make an educated assumption, if its wrong amend just that assumption.
    That should tell the educated that this is not Agile and is Waterfall with Agile-esque ceremonies.

  4. JSP in flowcharting, Edward de Bono's "Thinking Hats" in management, the "communicative method" in language teaching, Marx's Dialectics in political strategising… and Agile.

    What do they all have in common? No one has ever actually used them, because their principles are either vaccuous platitudes with no real world applicability, or straitjackets that make it impossible to do the job.

  5. One side effect of Agile, is actually too many chiefs. The scrum master, is one more boss, that wants to expand his authority, yet, is not the client, not the architect, not the project manager, etc.

  6. Agile does have some good features, where the testers can question how they will test, at the same time the coders are looking how to code. Then the coder, can literally turn to the tester, and ask him questions. If your approach is to use agile, just to enhance billing, billing for all the accountability, then it's a disaster, where too much of the project is accounting.

  7. Forget the buzzwords. Sometimes the right thing to do is to work closely with a particular user group through the development. Sometimes it is not the right thing to do, it depends on many things. Sometimes you know up front exactly what is needed, sometimes no one, programmer or user knows up front. There is a big difference between doing software for a department at a company for an end user application and implementing a pre-defined protocol. This guy has a narrow viewpoint. Maybe agile is always the right way to do a particular class of apps, but even that is not always true.

  8. Thing with the alphabet is that it only works if everyone communicating speaks the same language. Pictographic writing is more work up front in establishing a common base of understanding, but then lets everyone understand it regardless of where they come from.

    Defining as much as possible as early as possible in a project gives a group of people from the business/functional side and from the development side a much better common understanding of the scope and complexity of what they're about to embark on. Less friction and more understanding as problems and (usually fewer) unforeseen changes inevitably turn up.

  9. As a Christian, who attends church regularly, I find ceremonies very religious. And those who voice opinions against Agile could be labeled unworthy of some sort. The do-not-finger-pointing practice could be good in terms of emotional support but literally has little effect on productivity. The idea of collective responsibility is equally harmful if some team members are ill-motivated. It totally depends on the team, the people you daily work with. I work in a small team with 8 others — I can care less whether it's agile or waterfall, we work well with each other simply because we enjoy doing so.

    Methodologies do not deliver. People do. Methodologies are the means, not the destination. Again, like the church and how Christians perform our rituals, the goal is to be Christlike – and not the perfect living Bible data storage.

  10. Hi Dave, great video, thanks for posting, I really value your thoughts and perspective on software development. I've never read anything about post agile so i'll have to dig into what the current state of thinking is. I had one question about a comment you made in the video, why do you think what comes next should be more prescriptive than the current state of agile? Is it so we can avoid the ambiguity and arguments in how agile techniques are implemented, or is there a larger philisophical reason you think we need more definition? Keep up the good work.

  11. spot on – to add: agile is often (in my experience) cherry picked – I am always still amazed at why 'conveyor belt' delivery is even used as an approach in the digital world… agile fits the 'unknown' much better

  12. Agile to me is just how quickly can I know if I am moving towards the goal

    If I am not moving towards to goal I pivot

    Retrospectives are useful for finding technical debt or issues with us delivering

    To plan I just count stories🤣

  13. Agile is iterative,good but waterfall can be iterative also.One of the problem with agile is that they think that will have the business people to collaborate daily! The other problem I see is the notion of Minimum Viable Product ,I will tear my hairs off,in what universe? In avionics? In banking? I medicine? Do you think everyone is creating dashboards or web-sites ? Forgot to mention I worked as a Mainframe developer,so take my words with a grain of salt.

  14. More than 10 years ago, I started to note thatt most agile implementation projects that I saw were "cargo cults". That is, the practitioners adopted numerous rituals that mimicked successful organizations, but never really understood what made those rituals work.They implemented scrum boards, daily stand-ups, new roles and procedures. But what they did not do was ensure that they could work iteratively in ever smaller steps of "inspect and adapt". They did not understand that it was the small iterations and the ability to inspect and learn from them that was the success story, not the rituals, and since they didn't change the fundamentals, the rituals basically became new names for the same waterfall-y process that they had before. They did not understand that it was the small steps, the continuity of the agile approach that was the secret sauce. But to implement that, you need to work much harder, perhaps not with the processes and rituals, but with your product and engineering culture. Refactoring existing products so that they are possible to deliver in small increments. Refactor your team structures to support this. Implement vertically aligned products and organizations instead of horizontally layered structures. This is much, much harder to do than to re-brand your processes and so rarely happened. Agile and in particular Scrum, became brands rather than actual ways of working. To me, to be agile means that you continuously inspect and adapt your product, processes, organization, culture, ways of working, tooling, and so on. If you simply implement scrum rituals, pat yourself on the back and say you're done, you got it wrong.

  15. I disagree with the alphabet analogy. It’s a very western and English centric point of view. Japanese, for example, would become indecipherable if we removed the pictograms (kanji) from the written language due to the sheer number of homonyms.

  16. This is by far one of the best videos I've seen on the topic. I could not emphasize more how important it is to think agile! Inspect and adapt! All the tools around it are of lesser importance. It's the way of thinking that matters.

    How many times I've seen a Dev(including myself) just make an assumption that some part of their project will work how they've assumed, just to later discover that that part does not work like it was assumed. The consequences of over planning and over assuming are mid to large size rewrites, costly stuff.
    More experienced, agile, inspect & adapt kind-of Devs know in advance which part of the project they don't know or plainly – do not understand, you plan for that. You focus on that part first, learn & adapt so that you don't fall into a trap of finding something that doesn't fit with the rest.

    Over planning = assumptions = mistakes = rewrites/re-shaping = money lost

  17. Yeah… "Agile is about adapting to changes and being flexible". And then they ask you to estimate non-deterministic tasks with almost hour precision and waste 10 meetings on this, lol. And there will be stupid games, you better believe it.

  18. In the 1960s my approach was to knead code rather than writing it. I remember one day I was about to write a program out on paper and realized that I could just start typing in code and expanded it as I understood what I was doing.

    As to the alphabet — the story is far more nuanced because pictographs never really worked well but we like rebuses and used for their sounds and cultural references.

  19. People always have excuses for Agile. If Agile is implemented correctly, if this happens, if that happens… When do we acknowledge it often doesn't work as it is supposed to… Maybe because it's process is too complex or the process needs are in opposition to the needs of the customers of these processes… When?

  20. The Agile Philosophy/Methodology was invented for programmers by a group of recognized programming sages with decades of collective software engineering expertise. The Agile Methodology has been hijacked by an army of “certified SCRUM Masters”, often having little-to-no real software engineering experience. IMX, the way Agile is currently practiced lacks the the wisdom of these sages and has been replaced with pedantic rules about how to better enable interactive “agile tools” in an unending quest to micromanage all of the joy out of real software design and innovation.

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